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文班和占士前60場數據對比引熱議!球迷:蘋果VS橘子

2024-03-20NBA

台北時間3月18日,馬刺加時122-115逆轉籃網,此役,文班亞馬又打出歷史級數據,全場出戰36分鐘,26投14中,其中三分球7投1中,罰球6投4中,得到33分15籃板7助攻7封阻,這也是文班亞馬NBA生涯第60場比賽。隨後,美數據媒體Extra StatMuse曬出占士和文班亞馬NBA生涯前60場比賽數據對比:

占士:每場平均20.7分5.8籃板5.6助攻1.6搶截0.8封阻,三項命中率分別為41%/29%/77%,取得25勝35負。

文班亞馬:每場平均20.8分10.4籃板3.5助攻1.3搶截3.5封阻,三項命中率分別為45%/33%/80%,取得14勝46負(馬刺目前戰績15勝53負,文班亞馬缺陣8場中馬刺1勝7負)。

在Reddit上引來熱議,一起來看看球迷如何評論!

He's been great, but this is comparing apples to oranges really. The sport is the same but the game is different. LeBron was playing when 2 players that would be centers today would clog the paint on defense. FG% and scoring as a whole were way down compared to today (okay maybe not overall FG% due to volume of 3s but 2pt FG% was for sure lower).

他的表現很棒,但這其實是拿蘋果和橘子作比較。運動是相同的,但比賽是不同的。占士在打球時,有兩名中鋒球員會在防守時堵在禁區。與今天相比,占士的投籃命中率和整體得分都大幅下降(好吧,由於三分球的數量,也許整體投籃命中率沒有下降,但兩分球命中率肯定是低了)。

Average ppg in 03-04: 93 ppg

This season: 114 ppg

2003-2004球隊每場平均得分:93分

這個賽季:114分

Yeah I don’t think it’s much of a stretch at all to say rookie Wemby is as good or better than rookie LeBron. But rookie LeBron became unstoppable god-tier LeBron real quick, remains to be seen if Wemby makes that kind of improvement.

是的,我認為說新秀文班和新秀占士一樣出色甚至更好一點也不為過。但新秀占士很快就成為了不可阻擋的神一樣的級別,文班是否能有這樣的進步還有待觀察。

He wasn't an all-star caliber player as a rookie but the Cavs went from 17 to 35 wins after drafting him....

他(占士)在新秀時期並不是全明星級別的球員,但騎士隊在選中他之後從17勝提升到35勝....

Brother I still have my crimson Cavs hoodie. The team wasn't all that bad. They had Carlos Boozer and big Z. LeBron from his 2nd season did carry his team to the playoffs with 50 wins guaranteed. Just felt like comparing rookie Wemby to LeBron after his first season isn't fair either.

兄弟,我還留著我那件深紅色的騎士隊連帽衫。那支球隊並不是那麽糟糕。他們有卡洛斯-保沙和大 Z,占士從他的第二個賽季開始,確實帶隊打進了季後賽,並保證取得 50 場勝利,只是覺得拿新秀文班和勒邦第一個賽季後的表現相比也不公平。

okay lets just adjust Bron's points to today's game to get a slightly better estimate

The ppg now is 1.22580645161 times more than 03-04, so 20.7 * 1.22580645161 = ~25.4 ppg

Which is fucking INSANE for a rookie with the rest of those stats

Edit: Adjusting for ALL stat inflation Lebron's stats would look more like

25.4 PPG 6 RPG 7 APG 1.5 SPG (lower) .8 BPG (about the same, very slightly lower)

好吧,讓我們把占士的得分調整到今天的比賽中,以得到一個稍微好一點的評估

現在的得分是03-04賽季的 1.22580645161 倍,所以 20.7 * 1.22580645161 ≈25.4 分

對於一個新秀來說,這簡直太瘋狂了,他的其他數據也是如此

編輯:調整所有數據膨脹因素後,占士的數據看起來更像是

每場平均25.4分 6籃板7 助攻 1.5搶截(較低)0.8封阻(大致相同,略低)。

It's not quite that simple because Bron also average 10 more mpg. Per100, Wemby has 34ppg and Bron at 28. But it's also not that simple because Wemby might not be able to last 10 more mpg haha. So he may have more impact over Bron per minute in rookie terms, but not over a whole game since he plays way less of it.

Either way, this is apples to oranges. Two totally different play styles and circumstances coming into the league.

其實沒那麽簡單,因為占士的每場平均上場時間也比文班多10分鐘。每百回合文班可得34分,占士28分。但也沒那麽簡單,因為文班亞馬可能無法多堅持這10多分鐘,哈哈。因此,就新秀而言,他每分鐘的影響力可能比占士更大,但就整場比賽而言則不然,因為他的上場時間要少得多。
無論如何,這都是蘋果和橘子的對比,兩種完全不同的打法和完全不同的聯盟環境。

LeBron was also a year younger.

當時的占士也比他小一歲。

To be fair wemby might average 6bpg in that era. But he’d also score even less efficiently I’d wager

公平地說,在那個時代,文班可能會每場平均6個封阻,但我敢打賭,他的得分效率會更低。

Centers banging in the paint back in that era means Wemby would really need to be a lot sturdier to play that type of game.

You see, when a guy is banging you...

在那個時代,中鋒們在油漆區內大打出手,這意味著文班真的需要更加強壯才能打出這種比賽。

你想想,當一個人在撞你的時候...

Prime Zydrubas Ilgauskas numbers likely for rookie Wemby in that era

新秀文班在那個時代可能獲得巔峰時期大Z的數據。

To be fair, during Lebron's rookie season, he was the 13th leading scorer in the NBA. This year, Wemby is the 37th leading scorer in the NBA.

公平地說,在占士的新秀賽季,他在賽季每場平均得分榜上排第13,今年,文班是第37。

Basically every team has multiple 20 ppg guys nowadays. There are 51 players currently averaging at least 20 ppg, and 22 players averaging at least 24 ppg.

in 2004, 51st in pgg was Andrei Kirilenko with 16.4

that would be around 80th today.

如今,基本上每支球隊都有多名每場平均 20分的球員,目前有51名球員的每場平均得分至少20分,22名球員的每場平均得分至少達到24分。

2004 年,每場平均16.4分的安德烈-姬莉蘭高排名第51位。而現在,安德烈-姬莉蘭高的每場平均得分排在80名左右。

I think the age is less important than the fact that LeBron's highest prior level of competition was in high school, whereas Wemby was playing professional ball in Europe

我認為年齡並不重要,重要的是占士來NBA了聯盟之前最高水平的比賽是在高中,而文班是在歐洲打職業球聯賽。

Lebron was 9th in MVP his rookie year.

占士新秀賽季MVP排名第9.

The worst losing streak of LeBron's career was 8 games.

The worst losing streak of Wembanyama's career is 17 games.

占士職業生涯最糟糕的一次連敗是8連敗。

文班亞馬職業生涯最差連敗場次為17場。

Lebron took a 17 win Cavs team before he was there and they won 35 games.

The spurs won 22 games last year, have 15 this year.

Do we play basketball to win the games or get impressive stats?

占士帶領一支17勝的騎士贏了35場比賽,馬刺去年贏了22場比賽,今年(到目前為止)贏了15場。我們打籃球是為了贏得比賽,還是為了獲得令人印象深刻的數據?

As great as Lebron was as a rookie, Carmelo should have still been rookie of the year. Stats and making the playoffs, Carmelo was great that year as a rookie.

雖然占士在新秀時期表現出色,但金馬倫-安東尼仍然應該當選年度最佳新秀。從數據和打進季後賽來看,安東尼作為新秀在那一年表現得非常出色。

The best scoring team in the league in 2004 was the Mavs with 105.2 PPG. Only them and Sacramento averaged above 100 per game.

Twenty years later, the Memphis Grizzlies are dead last in the league in scoring with 106.1 PPG, and only 3 teams are below 110 per game.

Not to rain on your parade, but this comparison isn’t justified. Stats are bloated now due to style changes and rules that didn’t exist then

With the way things are going, a bunch of guys are going to hit 30k career points in the future, and John Stocktons assist & steals records may be reachable

2004 年聯盟中得分最好的球隊是小牛隊,每場平均105.2 分,只有他們和薩克拉門托國王隊的每場平均得分超過100。

20年後,孟菲斯灰熊隊以每場平均106.1分排名聯盟倒數第一,只有3支球隊的每場平均得分低於 110。

我不想給你添麻煩,但這種比較是沒有道理的。由於風格的改變和當時還不存在的規則,現在的數據已經膨脹了。

按照現在的趨勢,未來會有很多人的職業生涯總得分達到3萬分,約翰-史托頓的助攻和搶截紀錄也有可能被打破。

你如何評級文班和占士前60場比賽表現?歡迎在評論區說出你的觀點!

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